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Post by Darkstar on Dec 13, 2010 22:21:36 GMT 2
Thinking about it, one thing does worry me slightly about this profile. The German Suplex finisher. A lot of people use the move (or a multiple rolling version) as a basic or sig move, what makes yours special enough to be a finsher? Is there some kind of flurish, or lead up? Or maybe doing a Chaos Theory variation in order to make sure its not just a German?
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Post by tgo on Dec 13, 2010 22:53:32 GMT 2
You do know the nickname is very close to former World Champion, Drake Rush?
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Post by JubsFromTheBlock on Dec 13, 2010 22:59:37 GMT 2
True - but it'll give 'em something to feud over if Drake ever decides to come back, haha.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 13, 2010 23:06:41 GMT 2
Shame its not likely to ever happen. Goodbye Drake, how we miss thee.
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Post by wearedoomed on Dec 14, 2010 4:11:25 GMT 2
@ Darkstar: It's a straightforward German Suplex that targets the neck and shoulders of the opponent. Simple yet effective maneuver that compliments his throwback style well.
@ Tgo: Never heard of him.
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Post by JubsFromTheBlock on Dec 14, 2010 4:19:37 GMT 2
About Rush, you probably wouldn't. He's a bit of a legend in TWOstars - before my time but generally considered the greatest heel the company has ever had. About the finisher, is there any other 'old school' move we could maybe use that would work just as well? I appreciate the simplicity behind the Bridging German and think that's part of the charm. Not many folk actually bridge the move, and if we just build it up with a "whoah, hell, nobody hits it like Bruce!" then I think we should be okay. Only my opinion though . EDIT: Other suggestions: Regal-plex High Angle Back Drop (in the style of Morishima for example) Fisherman Suplex
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Post by wearedoomed on Dec 14, 2010 4:31:47 GMT 2
About Rush, you probably wouldn't. He's a bit of a legend in TWOstars - before my time but generally considered the greatest heel the company has ever had. I figured as such. That's why I like the Bridging German. If we could build Hoffman up as a "master of the German Suplex", it would make the German Suplex a frightening finisher in it's own right. To me, personally, it's just too good a fit for the character to just throw away because it isn't flashy enough or something.
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Post by Megz on Dec 14, 2010 10:23:02 GMT 2
I think, in this case, given that the moveset totally compliments it that we should allow the writer to "get over" that his bridged german is the pinnacle of hitting the move. If it comes across as not working then I think we should feel justified in asking for a change at the time. Best of both worlds so to speak.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 14, 2010 12:39:56 GMT 2
But how would we do that? Serious question as the German is such a basic move that everyone can hit it right. If the character was a lot bigger we could go along the method of him slamming down with more force, but hes not. Its not about it being flashy, its about it being a bog standard, run of the mill move that half the roster seems to use. Sorry, but I dont see how a move done by half the roster can suddenly become a game changer in and of itself. It needs to have something to explain why its so good. But, Im obviously outvoted by Megz and JJ, so my worries are besides the point.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 14, 2010 13:03:03 GMT 2
I have a couple of ideas to suggest, feel free to shoot them down.
1) Straightjacket German Suplex. I dont think its often seen and its far more believeable as a finisher as the arm lock stops people from kicking out as easily.
2) Stick with the German (as is the current plan... bloody Megz and JJ, grumble grumble) but go a bit more old school and have the German as the last move in a 3 or 4 move finisher sequence. It explains why its dso deadly as its at the end of a lot of punishment in a very short space, and it has room to be escaped/reversed during the transitions.
Something like
DDT, neckbreaker, brainbuster, German rolling suplex, German pinning suplex.
Your own 5 moves of doom a la Hart.
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Post by Megz on Dec 14, 2010 13:14:14 GMT 2
I'd just still say that we can let him try and get it over and IF it doesn't work then he has to accept that and change it to something different like a fishermans suplex or similar old school bridged move but one not done by everyone.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 14, 2010 13:22:11 GMT 2
Again, I ask HOW he can get over a move done by a fair few of the roster (and indeed varients that are more damaging in some cases) without any real reason. Its not a technical move, its an impact one, and he doesnt have that extra mass to hit it on par with Gower (for example) who has not only rolling and bridging Germans, but rolling Tiger suplexes. Look at the way a Germna is bridged, theres no lock to stop a kick out at all. Its why it is, as a standard version, a power move not a technical one.
I'll accept that he is using it as a finisher, you and JJ have outvoted me on that, but without some kind of reasoning as to why his is better then its a dead duck. And if we let something through that makes no sense then we have failed in our job.
Bloody hangovers.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 14, 2010 13:43:13 GMT 2
Ignore me guys, Im having a crappy day.
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Post by JubsFromTheBlock on Dec 14, 2010 14:11:45 GMT 2
How about he does a 'snap' German Suplex? Just really build up the speed in which he pulls his opponent over.
If you want to go legit old-school deadly then why not take just a piledriver? But I do like the fact that his move ends on a pin... an old school top rope move like a flying elbow drop?
How about a Northern Lights Suplex - not very many folk on the roster actually use it even if it's in their move set?
Just trying to think of other options that might get round Darky's issue without actually ignoring the point of the German.
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Post by Darkstar on Dec 14, 2010 14:56:00 GMT 2
Ach dont worry 'bout me. Im just having a grumpy day.
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